Episode Archives

Interview – Dean Gordon Smith

Dan and Mike talk with Gordon Smith, Dean of the J. Reuben Clark Law School at Brigham Young University (BYU) about emerging challenges and opportunities for US law schools.  Gordon’s research and teaching background is in business law and entrepreneurship.  In this interview, he talks about bringing his expertise to bear on innovation and entrepreneurship inside a law school.

Ep 8 – Innovation on the Cheap

Lisa, Dan, and Mike take a tour through strategies for initiating innovation and change, for people who don’t have “innovating” in their professional portfolios – and who may not have budgets.  They have case studies to share, from their own experiences In law firms, companies, and law schools.  Anyone can put themselves in a position to innovate.  Here’s how to get started.

Interview – Ray Worthy Campbell

Dean Dan talks with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China. Before becoming a law professor, Ray clerked for U.S. Chief Justice Warren Burger of the United States Supreme Court, and was a partner in the multinational law firms of Kirkland & Ellis and Jenner & Block. Listen to his fascinating take on the future of law and the future of legal education in a globalised world. 

Ep7 – The End of Law Schools

Dean Dan and Mike Madison talk about whether the future has caught up with law schools. They catch up with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China, who suggests that the future of legal education doesn’t look like the way that we’ve always done things…

Interview – Professor Dan Klein aka Dan the Improv Man

Lisa Leong and her business partner Tristan Forrester spent some time hanging out with the delightful Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University. 

In this full interview, you will learn:

– how to think like an Improviser and why it is important for cultivating an innovation mindset
– how improv can encourage lawyer creativity 
– a few simple improv games like sound ball, and word-at-a-time proverb.

Ep 6 – How Improv Unlocks Innovation

Lisa Leong introduces us to her friend Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University aka “Dan the Improv Man”. In this episode our three co-hosts, Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike explore how improvisation exercises can help lawyers develop an innovation mindset. 

Have you tried using improv to unlock lawyer creativity? Add to the conversation at http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/

Interview – Mick Sheehy

Mick Sheehy is a partner at PWC and was formerly a general council at Telstra. He is the founder of CLOC in Australia and joins Dan Hunter to talk about legal ops, managed services, and why law firms should be worried about how the Big 4 are moving into NewLaw.

Ep 5 – The rise of Legal Ops and Platform plays

Dean Dan has broken out of our ivory tower and gone to speak with a third party! Mick Sheehy was formerly a GC at Telstra – and is now a Partner of New Law @ PwC. We speak about CLOC, Legal Operations, and Tech Platforms. If you don’t know what any of these terms mean…listen up! 

Ep 4 – Our (radical) predictions for 2028

Our three brave co-hosts go “on tape” to predict what the legal industry will look like in 2028 (ten years from now). Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike cover law firms, lawyers and law schools. Nothing is safe. Platform plays and multi-disciplinary practices are also covered.

Agree or agree to disagree – please add to the conversation.

Ep 3 – Dean Dan was into AI before it was Cool

In this episode, Lisa Leong, Mike Madison and Dan Hunter unpack all the hype around “Artificial Intelligence” in the context of law.

Prof Dan was on the public speaking circuit in the 90s banging on about AI – but in those days, no one was listening. Lisa thinks that he was so into AI that he would have dated Siri if she had existed in the 90s. 

(Dan confesses that this is All. Too. True.)