Episode Archives

Interview – Ray Worthy Campbell

Dean Dan talks with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China. Before becoming a law professor, Ray clerked for U.S. Chief Justice Warren Burger of the United States Supreme Court, and was a partner in the multinational law firms of Kirkland & Ellis and Jenner & Block. Listen to his fascinating…

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Ep7 – The End of Law Schools

Dean Dan and Mike Madison talk about whether the future has caught up with law schools. They catch up with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China, who suggests that the future of legal education doesn’t look like the way that we’ve always done things…

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Interview – Professor Dan Klein aka Dan the Improv Man

Lisa Leong and her business partner Tristan Forrester spent some time hanging out with the delightful Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University.  In this full interview, you will learn: – how to think like an Improviser and why it is important for cultivating an innovation mindset– how improv can encourage lawyer creativity – a few simple…

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Ep 6 – How Improv Unlocks Innovation

Lisa Leong introduces us to her friend Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University aka “Dan the Improv Man”. In this episode our three co-hosts, Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike explore how improvisation exercises can help lawyers develop an innovation mindset.  Have you tried using improv to unlock lawyer creativity? Add to the…

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Interview – Mick Sheehy

Mick Sheehy is a partner at PWC and was formerly a general counsel at Telstra. He is the founder of CLOC in Australia and joins Dan Hunter to talk about legal ops, managed services, and why law firms should be worried about how the Big 4 are moving into NewLaw.

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Ep 5 – The rise of Legal Ops and Platform plays

Dean Dan has broken out of our ivory tower and gone to speak with a third party! Mick Sheehy was formerly a GC at Telstra – and is now a Partner of New Law @ PwC. We speak about CLOC, Legal Operations, and Tech Platforms. If you don’t know what any of these terms mean…listen…

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Ep 4 – Our (radical) predictions for 2028

Our three brave co-hosts go “on tape” to predict what the legal industry will look like in 2028 (ten years from now). Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike cover law firms, lawyers and law schools. Nothing is safe. Platform plays and multi-disciplinary practices are also covered. Agree or agree to disagree – please…

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Ep 3 – Dean Dan was into AI before it was Cool

In this episode, Lisa Leong, Mike Madison and Dan Hunter unpack all the hype around “Artificial Intelligence” in the context of law. Prof Dan was on the public speaking circuit in the 90s banging on about AI – but in those days, no one was listening. Lisa thinks that he was so into AI that…

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Ep 2 – The Most Interesting American

Introducing our third co-host, Prof Mike Madison from the University of Pittsburgh Law School. No ordinary law professor, Mike has been “stockpiling” legal education reforms for over a decade. Mike gives us a brief overview of the issues for the future of US-style legal education.

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Ep 1 – Why this Podcast?

Introducing Lisa Leong, the diminutive disruptor, and Prof Dan Hunter, Dean of Swinburne Law School. Lisa reminisces about how they met – and then they chat about what this podcast is about, who it is for and why we started it. This episode explores Experience Design – and why, to them, innovation is not “just…

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